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T9322

 

TASMANIAN INDUSTRIAL COMMISSION

Industrial Relations Act 1984
s.29 application for hearing of industrial dispute

Australian Liquor, Hospitality and Miscellaneous Workers Union -
Tasmanian Branch

(T9322 of 2000)

and

Chau Nominees Pty Ltd and Whitby Pty Ltd
trading as Mother Goose Child Care Centre

 

COMMISSIONER T J ABEY

HOBART, 5 February 2001

Industrial dispute - alleged unfair termination - wilful misconduct not found - summary dismissal a disproportionate response - reinstatement impracticable - compensation ordered

REASONS FOR DECISION

On 11 December 2000, the Australian Liquor, Hospitality and Miscellaneous Workers Union - Tasmanian Branch (the applicant) applied to the President, pursuant to Section 29(1) of the Industrial Relations Act 1984, for a hearing before a Commissioner in respect of an industrial dispute with Chau Nominees Pty Ltd and Whitby Pty Ltd trading as Mother Goose Child Care Centre (the employer) arising out of alleged unfair termination of Mrs Glenda Fish.

On 14 December 2000 the A/President convened a hearing before myself at "Lyndhurst", 448 Elizabeth Street, North Hobart, Tasmania to commence at 10.30am on 3 January 2001.

When this matter first came on for hearing on 3 January 2001 Mr P Tullgren of the ALHMWU appeared for the applicant. Mr J O'Neill of the Tasmanian Chamber of Commerce and Industry Limited represented the employer.

Jurisdiction

Mr O'Neill raised a preliminary jurisdictional question. He contended that the application had been served on the "Mother Goose Child Care Centre" which was the trading name for the corporate entity of "Chau Nominees Pty Limited and Whitby Pty Limited". As such the application had not been properly served on the employer and it followed that the Commission lacked jurisdiction to hear the application.

Following submissions from both parties I issued the following decision on transcript:

"COMMISSIONER: In this matter, Mr O'Neill contends that the employer has been incorrectly served, in that the application was served on Mother Goose Child Care Centre which, it transpires, is a trading name. The argument naturally follows that the commission lacks jurisdiction to continue to hear the matter.

On questioning Mr O'Neill, I am satisfied that the employer, however described, is in possession of the documentation and is fully aware of the substance of the application. Indeed, I understand that there have been some discussions between the parties in respect to the application.

Whilst it is critically important that the respondent be fully aware of the substance of any application, I draw the parties' attention to section 20(1)(a) of the Act which in essence says that the commission shall not be bound by legal technicalities and shall proceed in accordance with the merits of the particular case.

In the circumstances, I am satisfied that this is a technical rather than a substantive defect and that the continuation of the proceedings will not disadvantage the employer.

Section 21(k) states that the commission may allow the amendment, on such terms as it thinks fit, of those proceedings or a document relating to that matter; and subsection (l) says: correct, amend, or waive any error, defect, or irregularity.

I propose in the circumstances to allow an amendment to the application to correct this, what I consider to be, a technical defect."

Having determined the preliminary issue the hearing was adjourned into private conference, with the Commission, in an effort to find a resolution to the dispute. This however proved to be unsuccessful and the application was set down for hearing on 5 January.

Background

Mrs Fish had been employed at the Mother Goose Child Care Centre for nearly seven years. She had at various times been employed as a carer, cleaner and cook and for the last four years had performed the duties of carer and cook.

Mrs Fish was employed on a part-time basis for five and a half hours per day, five days a week. The relevant Award is the Child Care and Childrens Services Award.

In June 2000 Mrs Fish was involved in a disciplinary issue relating to the non refrigeration of soup and the cooking of chickens allegedly from a frozen state. This incident culminated in the issuing of a "first and final warning".1

On 28 November 2000 the employment of Mrs Fish terminated in somewhat unusual circumstances. This will be outlined in greater detail later in this decision but can be briefly summarised as follows.

On the previous day Mrs Fish had taken delivery of a quantity of food supplies including four frozen chickens. Mrs Fish proceeded to allow the chickens to thaw at room temperature, a practice the employer contends is contrary to Centre policy.

The next morning Mrs Fish commenced to cook the chickens in the oven. Subsequently there was an exchange between the Centre Manager, Mrs Laing, and Mrs Fish, the outcome of which resulted in the termination of the applicant's employment.

During the hearing evidence relating to these events was taken from the following witnesses:

  • Glenda Lee Fish, who is the applicant.

  • Kathryn Anne Laing, Director of the Centre.

  • Zoe Lucas Manning, Room Co-ordinator of the Centre.

  • Catherine Anne Burns, a level four child carer, and Co-ordinator of the three year old room.

  • Beverly Kay Williams, Clerical Assistant at the Centre.

Was There a Termination at the Initiative of the Employer?

During final submissions Mr O'Neill argued that the termination was not at the initiative of the employer and that Mrs Fish had repudiated her contract through her own actions. As there clearly must be a termination at the initiative of the employer to invoke the jurisdiction of the commission, it is necessary to determine this issue first, prior to a consideration of the merits of the case.

In relation to the conversation between the applicant and Mrs Laing on 28 November, Mrs Fish said:2

"... she turned around and basically told me, you're dismissed as of now."

And later:

"During this conversation, you're saying, that Mrs Laing asked you whether you were in fact cooking the chickens and you said, you were?............ Yes.

She said to you, words to the effect, that you could have poisoned the children?............ Yes.

She used the word 'poisoned'?............ Yes.

At any time during this conversation, did she direct you to stop cooking the chickens?............ No.

Did she direct you to take them out of the oven?............ No.

She gave you no instruction to stop what you were doing about the chickens?............ No.

Even after she'd said to you, that you could have poisoned the children?............ Yes.

You say that at the end of the conversation Mrs Laing said to you, as of now you're dismissed?............ Yes.

You're absolutely certain that those were the words that were used?............ Yes.

She didn't say to you, you have to make a choice about whether you want to work here?............ No.

She didn't say to you words to the effect, I've told you about this before, you know what the practice is? Did she use that in words, or anything like that?............ No, not that I can sort of - no.

She didn't give you any choice about the dismissal. She said, you were dismissed as of now?............ Yes, those were the words.

Were you shocked at that?............ Yes.

What did you do?............ I turned around, I turned the oven off, all the hot plates, took my gloves off and just left."

Mrs Laing's recollection of the same conversation was as follows:3

"I think I said to Glenda, you're not cooking those chickens, are you? - and she said something about, yes - I can't remember the exact words but, yes.

No, not verbatim?............ Yes, and I said, oh they wouldn't be safe because they'd been left out of the fridge and they must defrost in the fridge and she said it would be all right because they'll be well cooked and I said basically that you can't take a risk with things like that. They have to be defrosted in the fridge and if they're not they're not safe and again she said it would be perfectly all right and I said, well, you can't take a risk with small children. Some of them are only babies. I said something like, we could poison - I think I said 70, I can't remember the number -

...

WITNESS: I said, you could poison 70 little children and she said, oh, I don't think it would come to that or I don't think it's that bad. And I said, I don't agree -"

The proximity of Mrs Williams' work station meant that she partially overheard the conversation. Her statutory declaration4 said in part:

"I could hear Kathryn and Glenda talking in the kitchen but not everything that was said. I heard Glenda raise her voice and say, 'what else did you expect me to do Kathryn'. I didn't hear all of Kathryn's reply but I did hear her say 'Glenda these children could die' and Glenda said 'I don't think so Kathryn' and Kathryn said 'Glenda some of these children are very small'. They spoke for a while longer but I didn't hear clearly what was said until Kathryn said, 'then I will have to ask you to leave'.

Glenda then came out of the kitchen, went to her locker and then went out the front door."

Later in her evidence Mrs Laing said as follows:5

"If I can just take you back to the morning of 28 November. In your mind when you were going to approach Mrs Fish, what were you thinking in respect of the issue?............ I was thinking that we were in a serious situation again and that I was going to have to talk it through. I was concerned because it was just really disconcerting that it was happening after we had already had the original discussion so I was expecting that we would be talking through the process.

At any time did you think that you were going to dismiss Mrs Fish at that point in time?............ No, because I hadn't taken advice as to how I would actually go through that process and I would, in the very least, have had a witness to a discussion that I thought might go that far.

So it is fair to say that you believed you were nowhere near that point in the process that, in your own mind, where it would have led to dismissal?............ No. I mean, it had obviously crossed my mind that that might be the final outcome but that I was just assuming that this was just the first discussion and that I assumed that we would need to go through a process that would be similar to the first process that I'd been through.

Just one final question, did you ever at any stage say to Mrs Fish words to the effect that you're dismissed?............ No, I didn't use the words, you're dismissed."

I have no doubt that the intention of Mrs Laing was to implement an investigation into the incident and to follow the tenets of "procedural fairness" with which she is clearly familiar. Rather than ordering an immediate stop to the cooking of the chickens, Mrs Laing was clearly looking for a concession from Mrs Fish that her actions were inconsistent with Centre policy. It would appear that these best laid plans went astray when Mrs Laing made the comment along the lines of "... you could poison 70 little children ..."6. This, not surprisingly, gave rise to a defensive reaction from Mrs Fish which in turn led to the following comment from Mrs Laing:7

"I said that if she continued to insist that the chickens were safe to serve, she was leaving me with very little option, I would have to ask her to leave."

Despite the original laudable intentions of Mrs Laing I am quite satisfied that, in light of the events as they unfolded, Mrs Fish genuinely believed that she had been terminated.

On this question Mr Tullgren referred the Commission to the judgement of Mohazab v Dick Smith Electronics,8 which says:

"... termination at the initiative of the employer involves a termination in which the action of the employer is the principal contributing factor which leads to the termination of the employment relationship."

Having regard to the totality of the circumstances I am satisfied that the facts support a finding that Mrs Fish was terminated at the initiative of the employer. This finding of course does no more than invoke the jurisdiction of the Commission and allow for a consideration of the merits of the application.

The Prior Warning

In June 2000 Mrs Fish was involved in a disciplinary procedure arising from a written complaint from another staff member. In short summary, the complaints involved soup which had not been refrigerated and the cooking of chickens, allegedly from a frozen state.

Considerable evidence was adduced from both sides going to the relative merits of the incidents involved and the subsequent "first and final warning".

As I have observed on a previous occasion,9 I do not consider it the role of the Commission to review in fine detail earlier counselling sessions which often go back over a considerable period of time. Management has to manage and I consider it far more relevant to look at an employer's overall approach to disciplinary issues and, in particular, the question of procedural fairness.

Applying this approach to the instant matter I find that, in terms of procedural fairness, the process followed by the employer in respect of this earlier disciplinary issue was without fault.

The final outcome of this process was a detailed letter dated 23 June 200010 to Mrs Fish which concluded as follows:

"Having carefully considered the information available, I have concluded that, on the two occasions discussed in this letter, you did not carry out your duties in line with centre policy. The health and safety of children in our care is of paramount importance and our policies and procedures are designed to ensure that while children attend our centre they are protected. Because of the serious nature of the policy and procedure breaches, I hereby issue a first and final warning. Any further breach of policy in relation to health and hygiene will result in your dismissal from our employment."

Mrs Fish acknowledged that she did receive this letter and hence she should have been well aware that a further breach of Centre policy may have resulted in termination of her employment.

The November 2000 Incident

In accordance with normal practice, on Friday 24 November, Mrs Fish placed an order for food requirements for the following week. This order, which included four frozen chickens, was delivered at approximately 9.30am on Monday 27 November.

Mrs Fish placed the chickens in a bowl and left them on the bench to thaw. Under cross-examination, Mrs Fish offered the following explanation as to why she did not thaw them in the fridge or microwave:11

"Because there wasn't any room in the fridge to put the chickens in there. The fridge was full because I'd had all the ordering come in on the Monday, so the fridge was full of all different foods."

The employer subsequently acknowledged that the fridge could not have accommodated the chickens in the bowl, but room could have been found if the chickens were separated.

At approximately 1.30pm that day Ms Manning noticed the chickens on the bench and alerted Mrs Laing. They inspected the chickens together and Mrs Laing decided that, because they were partially defrosted, they could not be consumed. Initially they left the chickens as they were but later Mrs Laing returned and covered them with a tea towel. According to Mrs Laing's evidence:12

"... I thought that they must have been left out by mistake, that they would have been intended to be put back in the fridge."

During the afternoon a number of staff approached Mrs Laing about the chickens. This certainly included Mrs Burns and Mrs Williams. In the case of Mrs Williams, the evidence is that Mrs Laing told her that they would not be able to use the chickens and that the Centre would have to get cold cooked chickens from a retail outlet.

The chickens remained on the bench overnight until Mrs Fish commenced cooking them at approximately 8.30am the following day. The sequence of events thereafter is covered in the section dealing with the question of whether the termination was at the initiative of the employer.

It is common ground that no-one spoke to Mrs Fish about the chickens. No attempt was made to dispose of the chickens and no note was left indicating that the chickens were not to be cooked.

Breach of Centre Policy

It is apparent that Mrs Fish's employment contract was terminated because the employer considered that there was a breach of policy in relation to health and hygiene.

In my view the key tenets of good policy are as follows:

  • The policy should be clear and unambiguous and made known to all concerned.

  • It should be soundly and reasonably based.

  • It should be applied consistently, but with sensible flexibility.

It should not come as a surprise to employees that a breach of policies which satisfy these criteria will inevitably have consequences. This is particularly so when a clear warning of the consequences of breaching such a policy has been issued. I turn now to apply these tests to the circumstances of Mrs Fish.

It is of course entirely appropriate that a child care centre have policies relating to the hygienic handling of food. I also have no difficulty with the notion that such a policy may impose requirements that are more onerous than that which might be required of general community based health standards. In this context I refer to the submissions of Mr Tullgren relating to the Australia New Zealand Food Authority [ANZFA].13

Mr Tullgren contended that the science as endorsed by the appropriate food standards authorities made it clear that frozen raw meats, including chicken and turkey may be able to be safely thawed at room temperature. He argued that Mrs Fish "... engaged in an action which was not contrary to food handling policy that is best practice".14

Mr Tullgren went on to argue that the policies of the Centre, whilst well intentioned, are at variance with the relevant regulatory authority, and [by inference] are unreasonable and should be changed.

I do not agree with Mr Tullgren's contention. Child care centres house a sector of the population which is particularly vulnerable to health risks. In such circumstances, it is quite open to centre operators to put in place policy standards which are more onerous than that which would apply to the population at large. A policy which forbids the thawing of frozen raw meat at room temperature fits quite comfortably within these parameters.

Having said that, such a policy would go beyond the requirements of the relevant regulatory authority and beyond what is not an uncommon domestic practice. In such circumstances there is a clear onus on the employer to make it absolutely clear as to what the requirements are. It is not, in my view, sufficient to rely on a general understanding or "commonsense", because the requirements go beyond that which is encountered in everyday life.

In this category would be the policy on reheating food. Whilst it was not tabled, this is a policy specifically written for the Centre and is clearly well understood. However the position is not so clear cut when it comes to the thawing of frozen raw meat.

Exhibit R4 consists of a generic poster titled "Promote Safe Food". It was in fact obtained by Mrs Fish [presumably on her own initiative] and fixed to the kitchen wall. One of the seven "steps for safe food" states:

"Thaw frozen food in a microwave or refrigerator, not at room temperature."

Whilst no-one would likely take issue with any of the messages in the poster, there is nothing to indicate that it is endorsed as inviolate Centre policy. It is true that the poster is specifically referred to in the "first and final warning" letter.15 The same letter also refers to a reference publication, "Caring For Children Food, Nutrition and Fun Activities" by Bunny and Williams, which is apparently kept in the kitchen. This latter reference referred to the thawing of food in the following terms:

"Large ;pieces of meat or whole chicken should be thawed completely before cooking otherwise it is difficult to be sure the centre will be cooked properly. The health risk will be much less if these foods are thawed in the refrigerator or in a microwave. A chicken will take about 24 hours to thaw in the refrigerator ..."

It is noteworthy that this same publication provides advice on the refrigeration of hot food which appears to be at odds with the evidence in relation to the Lady Gowrie training course16 which Mrs Fish had previously attended.

I also note in passing that the chickens which were cooked from an allegedly frozen state in the June 2000 incident, were in fact allowed by senior Centre staff to be consumed, despite the advice to the contrary in the Bunny and Williams publication.

I turn now to the evidence as it relates to Mrs Fish's understanding of Centre policies.

In relation to the four-hour Lady Gowrie course, the following exchange took place:17

"It was about nutrition, about menus, about getting kids to eat vegetables?............ Yes.

You say that part of it was about, or there was a comment about not storing really hot food in the refrigerator?............ Yes.

Was that part of some separate unit that dealt with food handling and food preparation?............ No.

That was a comment during part of it?............ During the thing, yes.

Your understanding of what the Lady Gowrie advice was, was that if you had just cooked a vat of pea soup, that you should not put it in whatever form into the fridge while it was hot because it affected the operation of the fridge?............ Yes.

The course did not contain any session on food hygiene, food preparation, food handling?............ No.

Had you attended any other courses outside of the centre about any matter to do with your work as a cook?............ No.

Had you attended any courses inside the centre about your work as a cook?............ No."

And in respect of Centre policy:18

"Were you ever shown or provided with a copy of any centre policy dealing with food preparation, food hygiene, food handling?............ No.

I want you to be very clear about this. Do you know whether the centre has, for instance, a policy manual or a number of printed policies?............ Not that I know of, no. Not that I've seen.

You've never been given any?............ No.

Have you ever been given any, say for instance, single pieces of paper or a couple of pieces of paper that said, this is the centre policy about food hygiene or preparing food and how to cook food and so on?............ No. "

Specifically in relation to the thawing of food, the following exchange took place:19

"Have you had cause to thaw food outside of the refrigerator?............ Yes.

Have you ever tried to hide or disguise the fact that you thaw food out outside of the refrigerator?............ No.

Has anyone such as Mrs Laing or members of staff ever raised with you concerns about the thawing of food outside the refrigerator?............ No. "

In response to a question from the Commission, Mrs Laing had this to say in relation to the thawing policy:20

"Just so that I'm clear in my own mind, the policy about thawing chickens in this case in the fridge, where does that come from? Does it come from exhibit R.4?............ As with all policies in the centre, you don't necessarily have dot points of absolutely every minuscule thing that you would do but there are overall principles that you want people to espouse and adhere to. By referring to, say, food handling, safe and hygienic food handling practices, there's an expectation that that would be all encompassing and things like that poster are quite specific about how you thaw food. The other consideration is that on the chickens themselves, there is an instruction on defrosting them in a refrigerator. It comes with the manufacturer's instructions on how to defrost."

Procedural Fairness

There can be no doubt in my mind that Mrs Laing had every intention of following the principles of procedural fairness "to the letter" when she approached Mrs Fish on 28 November. It is also clear that these best intentions were overtaken by events as they occurred. Whilst it might be argued that Mrs Laing should have made some [verbal] attempt to prevent Mrs Fish from leaving, it would be bordering on presumptuous for someone not caught up in the emotion of the moment to make that call.

It follows that I intend to apply these rules flexibly and attempt to determine what would have been a fair outcome had a proper investigation been carried out.

Whilst not necessarily coming under the heading of procedural fairness, there are some other aspects of this case which I find both unusual and puzzling.

It is surprising to me that despite a number of staff commenting to Mrs Laing about the chickens on the afternoon of 27 November, no-one actually raised it with Mrs Fish. No attempt was made to dispose of the chickens and no note was left stating that they were not to be cooked. It is also surprising that Mrs Williams, who knew that cold chickens were to be sourced from a retail outlet, apparently "allowed" Mrs Fish to commence cooking the condemned chickens without making some comment, despite the close proximity of their respective work stations.

Finding

This is a decision which has troubled me. Mrs Laing impressed as an effective and caring manager of the Centre and is clearly highly regarded by the staff. She is clearly aware of the principles of procedural fairness, and where practicable, followed them meticulously.

Mrs Fish was an employee of relatively long standing. She was clearly subject to a "first and final warning" although there was no evidence of any previous disciplinary or counselling issues.

Mrs Fish clearly did the wrong thing. Even by domestic standards, leaving chickens to thaw at room temperature for 23 hours is excessive. [Note: The Food Standards Code states that total exposure time should not exceed 15 hours.21]

I have made it clear that it is entirely proper for the Centre to adopt, where appropriate, policies that impose a higher standard than that applying to the community generally. The real issue is whether or not such a policy is articulated clearly and consistently to the employees concerned.

In the eyes of Mrs Fish clearly this was not the case. At no stage did she attempt to hide or cover up what she did. Her evidence that she had not received specific training on this aspect nor had she been given a clear policy document was not seriously tested.

Certainly it can be argued that the "first and final warning" letter spelt the policy out. However on my assessment it is a document that outlines the "preferred way of doing things" rather than a policy that is so set in concrete to be inviolate. This can be contrasted with the "reheating of food policy" which is apparently quite specific. I have also pointed to the apparent conflict between the Bunny and Williams publication and the Lady Gowrie training course, together with the apparent inconsistent application of the policy concerning the cooking of frozen food.

Having regard to all the evidence I am satisfied that Mrs Fish did not wilfully and knowingly breach a Centre policy. Certainly she made a mistake which in a worst case scenario may have had serious consequences. It was an action which could not be condoned and some response on the part of management was clearly warranted. However in the circumstances I consider what amounts to instant dismissal to be a disproportionate response.

It is common ground between the parties that the relationship between Mrs Fish and the employer is a fractured one and that reinstatement is not a practicable option. In all the circumstances I propose to order modest compensation which includes a component which compensates for the absence of any notice.

ORDER

Pursuant to Section 31[1B] of the Act I hereby order that Chau Nominees Pty Ltd and Whitby Pty Ltd trading as Mother Goose Child Care Centre pay to Mrs Glenda Fish of 57 Sugarloaf Road, Risdon Vale 7016 the sum of one thousand eight hundred dollars [$1800], such payment to be made within 21 days of the date of this decision.

Note: As this application was lodged prior to 1 January 2001, this order is made in accordance with Act as it then was.

 

Tim Abey
COMMISSIONER

Appearances:
Mr P Tullgren for the Australian Liquor, Hospitality and Miscellaneous Workers Union - Tasmanian Branch
Mr J O'Neill of the Tasmanian Chamber of Commerce and Industry Limited wth Mrs K Laing, for Chau Nominees Pty Ltd and Whitby Pty Ltd trading as Mother Goose Child Care Centre

Date and Place of Hearing:
2001
January 3, 5
Hobart

1 Exhibit R3
2 Transcript p. 19
3 Transcript pp. 34 and 35
4 Exhibit R8
5 Transcript p. 37
6 Transcript p. 35
7 Exhibit R5
8 Law of Employment, Fourth Edition, Macken, McCarry and Sappideen pp. 227 & 228.
9 Lumley and King Island Dairies, T9242 of 2000, 24/11/2000
10 Exhibit R3
11 Transcript p. 25
12 Transcript p. 34
13 Exhibits A3 and A4
14 Transcript p. 61
15 Exhibit R3
16 Transcript p. 20
17 Transcript p. 21
18 Transcript p. 21
19 Transcript p. 17
20 Transcript p. 46
21 Exhibit A4